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		<title>By: Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ozwald Boateng: Why style matters</title>
		<link>http://simbatango.com/2009/11/06/tailored-for-tango/comment-page-1/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ozwald Boateng: Why style matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the vein of Simba Tango&#8217;s Tailored for Tango post [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the vein of Simba Tango&#8217;s Tailored for Tango post [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simba</title>
		<link>http://simbatango.com/2009/11/06/tailored-for-tango/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Simba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ms H: Thank you, I am glad you liked it! I think if you ask dance historians, it is common to think of tango as a very modern dance in that sense. It is easy for us to forget how extraordinary the physical proximity of tango dancing was at that time (and to some degree still is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ms H: Thank you, I am glad you liked it! I think if you ask dance historians, it is common to think of tango as a very modern dance in that sense. It is easy for us to forget how extraordinary the physical proximity of tango dancing was at that time (and to some degree still is).</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Hedgehog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Hedgehog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love what you&#039;ve done with Hollander&#039;s ideas.  Your conception of tango as modern in Hollander&#039;s sense is beautiful.

I think both men and women dress mainly to send messages to the people they benefit most from sending messages to, and in both cases that&#039;s mainly, a lot of the time, the same sex more than the opposite sex. It&#039;s not necessarily to &#039;impress,&#039; though, as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love what you&#8217;ve done with Hollander&#8217;s ideas.  Your conception of tango as modern in Hollander&#8217;s sense is beautiful.</p>
<p>I think both men and women dress mainly to send messages to the people they benefit most from sending messages to, and in both cases that&#8217;s mainly, a lot of the time, the same sex more than the opposite sex. It&#8217;s not necessarily to &#8216;impress,&#8217; though, as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Treating the symptoms &#124; Simba tango</title>
		<link>http://simbatango.com/2009/11/06/tailored-for-tango/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Treating the symptoms &#124; Simba tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In their wonderful, provocative style, they wrote an entire post about something that I hinted at in a comment in my post about clothes and tango. Some hard core dancers would say that if it gets too warm with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simba</title>
		<link>http://simbatango.com/2009/11/06/tailored-for-tango/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Simba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tangocommuter: Thanks for a thoughtful comment. I thought the cubist project was working a lot with volumes, not only planes, but still an interesting comparison. Thinking of the suit as an abstraction of the body is also useful, I think in this context.

When it comes to the cigarettes, you surely missed something. I very much appreciate the effects of the smoking ban in the milongas, but out with the bathwater went some parts of the tango culture, or maybe just culture. In a way it was a loss, but I am not one to shed tears over it. Watching these movements refined over a lifetime is like watching a dance performance in miniature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tangocommuter: Thanks for a thoughtful comment. I thought the cubist project was working a lot with volumes, not only planes, but still an interesting comparison. Thinking of the suit as an abstraction of the body is also useful, I think in this context.</p>
<p>When it comes to the cigarettes, you surely missed something. I very much appreciate the effects of the smoking ban in the milongas, but out with the bathwater went some parts of the tango culture, or maybe just culture. In a way it was a loss, but I am not one to shed tears over it. Watching these movements refined over a lifetime is like watching a dance performance in miniature.</p>
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		<title>By: tangocommuter</title>
		<link>http://simbatango.com/2009/11/06/tailored-for-tango/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>tangocommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for that one, Simba. Very interesting. &amp; Anne Hollander is very perceptive.

I&#039;d noticed the way that the suit clothes the body in flat planes. Suit trousers with sharp creases suggest flatness (which might even emphasise the roundness of the legs) but I&#039;d never thought of this in time. Of course, the suit goes back to the beginnings of the modernist era, early 20th century Paris, the time of cubist modernism, as well as modernism in dance and music, and also the era of tango. &amp; I&#039;d also noticed that clothing has become rounder since the mid-20th century: jeans, originally the trousers of poor labourers in Europe and the US and now the leisure clothes of even the well-off, look slightly bizarre if ironed flat. &amp; most modern fabrics don&#039;t iron so easily, and tend to follow the roundness of the body. Gustavo is modern (in the &#039;contemporary&#039; sense) in his choice of clothes, round and less formal.

We grew up in an informal era; tango grew up in an era when formality was expected at social events, which meant suits and ties, even before air conditioning. I&#039;m not sure if watching tango danced in a jacket is very different from watching tango danced in a shirt, but a good jacket is definitely a great piece of clothing. I&#039;m glad I&#039;ve never seen &#039;El Flaco&#039; Dany lighting a cigarette, but I was very impressed seeing him stand up and put on his jacket to dance. (I had it on video, but I cut it out when I uploaded the dance: I won&#039;t be so careless again.)  Way to go, and better any day than tunicas and baggy pants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for that one, Simba. Very interesting. &amp; Anne Hollander is very perceptive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d noticed the way that the suit clothes the body in flat planes. Suit trousers with sharp creases suggest flatness (which might even emphasise the roundness of the legs) but I&#8217;d never thought of this in time. Of course, the suit goes back to the beginnings of the modernist era, early 20th century Paris, the time of cubist modernism, as well as modernism in dance and music, and also the era of tango. &amp; I&#8217;d also noticed that clothing has become rounder since the mid-20th century: jeans, originally the trousers of poor labourers in Europe and the US and now the leisure clothes of even the well-off, look slightly bizarre if ironed flat. &amp; most modern fabrics don&#8217;t iron so easily, and tend to follow the roundness of the body. Gustavo is modern (in the &#8216;contemporary&#8217; sense) in his choice of clothes, round and less formal.</p>
<p>We grew up in an informal era; tango grew up in an era when formality was expected at social events, which meant suits and ties, even before air conditioning. I&#8217;m not sure if watching tango danced in a jacket is very different from watching tango danced in a shirt, but a good jacket is definitely a great piece of clothing. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;ve never seen &#8216;El Flaco&#8217; Dany lighting a cigarette, but I was very impressed seeing him stand up and put on his jacket to dance. (I had it on video, but I cut it out when I uploaded the dance: I won&#8217;t be so careless again.)  Way to go, and better any day than tunicas and baggy pants!</p>
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		<title>By: Simba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tina: I would be a bit disappointed if I put on one of my best suits preparing for a milonga, only for the women to see it mainly as a device for separating them from me and, well -- yes.

As Limerick&#039;s quote shows, it is a lot more to us, at least. Makes me wonder. They say that women do not dress up to impress men, rather to impress other women. I have a growing suspicion it could be the same with men...

@Russell: Thanks for commenting! Not sure it is relevant, but Simba would never wear jeans. Period. :-P 

Nobody cares if you keep the jacket on while at your table, but you are supposed to wear it when dancing... Tough world, the world of the milongas...  Some hard core dancers would say that if it gets too warm with the jacket on, you are waisting energy ;-)

Joking aside, I think you are right with your remark that what you wear (and how you feel about it) can affect the way you dance.

@Limerick: Brilliant, brilliant quote. A good suit can keep a man standing whatever condition he&#039;s in, and this applies to late nights in the milongas as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tina: I would be a bit disappointed if I put on one of my best suits preparing for a milonga, only for the women to see it mainly as a device for separating them from me and, well &#8212; yes.</p>
<p>As Limerick&#8217;s quote shows, it is a lot more to us, at least. Makes me wonder. They say that women do not dress up to impress men, rather to impress other women. I have a growing suspicion it could be the same with men&#8230;</p>
<p>@Russell: Thanks for commenting! Not sure it is relevant, but Simba would never wear jeans. Period. <img src='http://simbatango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Nobody cares if you keep the jacket on while at your table, but you are supposed to wear it when dancing&#8230; Tough world, the world of the milongas&#8230;  Some hard core dancers would say that if it gets too warm with the jacket on, you are waisting energy <img src='http://simbatango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Joking aside, I think you are right with your remark that what you wear (and how you feel about it) can affect the way you dance.</p>
<p>@Limerick: Brilliant, brilliant quote. A good suit can keep a man standing whatever condition he&#8217;s in, and this applies to late nights in the milongas as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick Tango</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armani deconstructed the suit. He took out it&#039;s structure and most of Saville row despises him for it. 

Perhaps the best quote for describing what a suit does for a man comes from The Tailor of Panama:
&quot;And I didn&#039;t finish his suit, it would&#039;ve given him back his dignity, he wouldn&#039;t have shot himself in it. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armani deconstructed the suit. He took out it&#8217;s structure and most of Saville row despises him for it. </p>
<p>Perhaps the best quote for describing what a suit does for a man comes from The Tailor of Panama:<br />
&#8220;And I didn&#8217;t finish his suit, it would&#8217;ve given him back his dignity, he wouldn&#8217;t have shot himself in it. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Russell J. hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell J. hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree with Cherie that to take care with your attire shows &quot;respect for the dance, your partner and the culture.&quot; This is important. I would certainly never wear jeans and/or T-shirts, even to workshops and classes, although a slightly more casual approach is more acceptable here. (But I must say I feel that perhaps what you wear does have an affect on how you dance?)

To milongas and balls I would normally wear a suit, although I&#039;m afraid the jacket tends to be discarded fairly early on. Temperature has to be a factor in what you wear, as does the cut of the jacket if it is to hang properly and comfortably in the embrace. I do quite frequently wear a waistcoat without a jacket... acceptable compromise?

And without wishing to cause offence, I would comment that perspiration is not solely a male problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with Cherie that to take care with your attire shows &#8220;respect for the dance, your partner and the culture.&#8221; This is important. I would certainly never wear jeans and/or T-shirts, even to workshops and classes, although a slightly more casual approach is more acceptable here. (But I must say I feel that perhaps what you wear does have an affect on how you dance?)</p>
<p>To milongas and balls I would normally wear a suit, although I&#8217;m afraid the jacket tends to be discarded fairly early on. Temperature has to be a factor in what you wear, as does the cut of the jacket if it is to hang properly and comfortably in the embrace. I do quite frequently wear a waistcoat without a jacket&#8230; acceptable compromise?</p>
<p>And without wishing to cause offence, I would comment that perspiration is not solely a male problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate it when men put their suit jackets ON before dancing with me. As Cherie says, that way I don&#039;t have to be inconvenienced by their sweat.  I can&#039;t &quot;entregarme&quot; and fully embrace the man if he&#039;s soaking wet with sweat.  The jacket protects me from that.
However, it&#039;s also fine if a man brings a couple of shirts to change into (if he&#039;s not into jackets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate it when men put their suit jackets ON before dancing with me. As Cherie says, that way I don&#8217;t have to be inconvenienced by their sweat.  I can&#8217;t &#8220;entregarme&#8221; and fully embrace the man if he&#8217;s soaking wet with sweat.  The jacket protects me from that.<br />
However, it&#8217;s also fine if a man brings a couple of shirts to change into (if he&#8217;s not into jackets).</p>
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